them, and i think there were a couple of very important moments. that came essentially from the u.n. ambassador, susan rice, and in the testimony by ambassador patrick kennedy, which we expect to hear, he says that any official who was in -- was testifying at that particular time that she did, which was on the 16th five days later, the 16th of september, five days after the attack, would have said the very same thing. it was based on the information that was known at that particular moment. you are already setting up, you know, some would say that the administration lied. in fact, chairman isa said that the administration misled people. now, patrick kennedy from the stat department, he is the under secretary for management, and he is saying no, that is what we knew at that particular point. there are some other interesting moments, fred, as we go through this. we can discuss it if you want, but i think that's one of the key things. >> it is, indeed. so we also just learned information that the white house has sent john brennan to libya. he has been meeting with senior libyan officia
